April 7, 2025

Trucker Per Diems, Qualified Business Income Deductions QBI

Trucker Per Diems, Qualified Business Income Deductions QBI

TaxTalk4U Trucker Per Diems, Qualified Business Income Deductions QBI. How do trucker per diems work and what are days on the road. QBI or qualified business income dedcution can save you taxes by taking the 20% deduction for Qualified Business...

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Barry G.

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on W four CY Radio and Talkboard TV. As an

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enrolled agent and a national leader in tax resolution as

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well as Trucker bookkeeping and tax planning. With over thirty

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years of experience, Barry will break down taxes, bookkeeping, tax planning,

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and tax relief for individuals and businesses just like you.

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So let's have some tax talk for you with your hosts.

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Barry G. Foul Hey, welcome in morning, great Monday morning.

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To get started. You know we're coming to eight days

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away from tax filing deadline, so if you haven't gotten

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your taxes filed yet, get in there and get your

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taxes filed, or get yourself an extension of time to file.

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Now you've got to remember, you know, these extensions are

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just an extension of time to file, not an extension

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of time to pay. So you know you can you

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can get the extension, but if you're going to owe

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money to the I r S, your best to send

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in I think you're going to owe that way, you know,

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you don't have extra penalties and interest if you overpay

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because you did an overestimate that can be refunded. It

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can be left there as part of your estimated tax payments.

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Whatever you need to do, but make sure you get

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that extension filed, even if you can't pay. I mean,

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get the extension file because you know, there's there's too

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many penalties out there that the I r S loves

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to issue, and they're going to issue them against you

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either way. So you know, get that, get that done

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and at least alleviate that timely filing penalty, and then

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get it filed within the next six months. You know,

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that's one of the things that we always look at for,

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you know, people that we're filing taxes for, and especially

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you know when we're working with you know, truckers, owner

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operators out there and other small businesses. Sometimes it takes

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a little bit longer to gather all their paperwork and

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get everything right. You know, when you hand you know

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profit and lass that somebody else has done and it

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has one hundred thousand dollars and ask my accountant. That's

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not a complete financial statement. You know, it's more of

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just a joke. You know, you're not giving the information

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that is needed to prepare your taxes, and then you

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expect us to kind of decipher what you meant. That

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just doesn't doesn't work. You've got to actually dot the

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eyes across the t's. Make sure you got the right bookkeeping.

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And if you know you're a trucker owner operator out

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there and you're looking for somebody that's going to do

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bookkeeping that knows truckers, go to Trucker tax tools dot

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Com and get in there. Rates start from twenty five

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dollars a week for bookkeeping. You can't beat those rates,

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you know, anywhere out there. So if you're an owner operator,

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we thank you, We appreciate what you do. This economy

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keeps wrong because you're out there moving the goods from

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one location to another location and getting the transport. I mean,

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you know, we've we've got people transporting as there's material,

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you know, your fuel, your gas to power your cars,

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you know, goods that you're buying at the stores. That's

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what these truckers do. And so we thank the truckers

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out there for everything that they do. And of course

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we are protected by you know, the police and you

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know other people that are ouping in the community, firefighters

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and so forth, and we thank that for their services

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as well, and of course our military. You know, we're

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talking taxes, and when we talk taxes for truckers owner operators,

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something special stands out for truckers more than any other

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part of the industry. And you know when this goes

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for transportation, and that's per deems, you know. So what

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are per diems? You know? Per deems basically is a

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standard allowance for meals and incidental expenses. And so it's

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a deduction for those in the transportation you know, industry

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comes out of I R. S Publication for six y

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three for travel, entertainment, gift car and truck expenses. You

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have two choices in the transportation industry. You can either

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save all your receipts for meals and incidental expenses and

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deduct those at tax tile, or you take the IRS's

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standard meal allowance, which is currently eighty dollars. So eighty

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dollars is a significant increase from the sixty nine it

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was for most of twenty twenty four. That rate change

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happened in October, so you know, when you're doing your

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twenty twenty four taxes and you're looking at for deems,

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you've actually got to separate the number of days on

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the road nights away from home from January through the

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end of September, and then from October to the end

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of the year. Now, we don't know what the rate's

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going to be, if they're going to even change the rates.

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In twenty twenty five, took them many years to actually

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change the rates from sixty nine to eighty. That first

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rate change went from sixty six to sixty nine in

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twenty twenty one. But you know it stays. It's going

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to stay the same. I would zoom for a couple

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of years. So we'll see what the IRS does with

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per diem rates this year now. Also different for twenty

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twenty four versus twenty one and twenty two is still

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only eighty percent deductible, So you don't get one hundred

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percent deductible deductibility of per diems in twenty twenty four

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as you did in twenty two and twenty one. That's

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out there, so making sure you're tracking those nights away

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from home. So what does this mean for you as

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an owner operator truck drap? You know, maintaining a good

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log of your days on the road. Now we're talking

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about nights away from home. So if you're just doing

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transportation within you know your city and just day runs

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and everything, you're not going to get per diems or meals.

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But if you're going and staying away from home, that

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first night you leave, you get credit for half a day,

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and then next the day you come home, you get

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credit for a half a day. All the days in

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between are full days on the road and are at

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the full eighty dollars half days forty dollars. So either

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keep your manual logbook, maybe you can look into your

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eled to see how it's tracking. You can use some

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of the apps that are out there that can track

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prettyums and everything else for you. You have different options to

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choose how you're going to track your nights on the road. Now,

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i RS qualifications. You know, we always got to have qualifications,

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you know, we got to know what's the detail behind.

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And so for truck drivers to be eligible for pro diems,

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you know, this is funny. To be employed in the

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transportation industry and your job must keep you away from

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home on a regular basis long enough for you to

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sleep away from home. Now, in the transportation industry, that

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means your job has to be directly involving moving goods

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for people by truck, train, bus, ship, airplane or barge.

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So those are your options. That's what the IRS shows

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in Publication four sixty three, so that you can know

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that you qualify for predems. So something else that has

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to happen in your industry and for your life, and

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it's one of the biggest things that the IRS puts

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out there. You must have a tax home. And to

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qualify for a tax home, you're required to incur expenses

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to maintain the home while you're on the road, whether

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you're running an apartment, running a place to live, paying

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mortgage payments, these are items that you're paying for to

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maintain your own Now, if you're just living in your

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truck and you have no home, man, You're You're like

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a turtle. You take your home with you everywhere you go.

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Don't be the tax turtle. Get a home, a home

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that you have to maintain expenses for. So track those days,

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track those nights on the road. Make sure that you're

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dieting the eyes and crossing the tase with this so

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that you're getting every single deduction for the pretty deep

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per diems that you can get. Now, this is owner operators,

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independent contractors that are out there running your own business,

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so proprietors, not W two drivers. So if you're a

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trucker and you are a W two employee, you're not

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going to get per diems that are deductible on your

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tax return, but you still could beguining per diems from

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your employer that are non tax. There are some good things,

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there are some bad things with getting per diems or

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even taking per diems as a trucker. We're going to

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talk about those good and bad right after the s break.

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We have only scratched the surface of today's show. Please

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stand by as Barry G. Fowler will be right back

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talk for you with more tax talk once again.

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Here's your host, Parry Chief Faller. Hey, Hey, hey, welcome back. Hey.

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First off, don't shoot a messenger, all right. You know

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I'm out here. We're talking about for diems and you

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know we're saying, hey, per diems are not deductible on

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your tax return if you're a W two driver. Hey,

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it's not me that sets a tax coat. Hear. This

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has been going on since two thousand and seventeen with

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the Trump tax coats that went into effect that removed

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for deems being deductible for W two drivers. You know,

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I love the chats and I love the information. But

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you know, we don't set the code. If you don't

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like it, call your congressman. Uh. You know, we say

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that all the time to people who are complaining that

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taxes seem to be unfair to do them. And as

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I say in seminar that I give with Oida's Foundation,

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Got to Success, you know, if you don't like the

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tax code, call your congressman. Most congressmen never found a

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tax they didn't like, and they love the tax brings

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more revenue into the IRS, into the US government's just

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way of life it is. But as an employee, you

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can get you know, for DMS as a W two driver. Now,

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they're not deductible on your taxes. They're usually paid as

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an allowance or reimbursement that is non taxable to you.

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But that means usually when an employer is doing that,

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they have lowered the wages that you're going to be

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earning that are taxable for Social Security, Medicare, and federal

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and state income taxes. Now, that may seem really.

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Good to you as an employee because you're receiving money

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that is non taxable, but sometimes the bad part is

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it lowers the W two wages you're making lowers your income,

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which then.

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Can impact you if you go to a file for

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like a mortgage or a loan, because they don't see

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as much income coming in, and the mortgage company is

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not going to take into account that you're receiving this

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reimbursement for predeems, which is meals and incidentals. Now, when

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the employeer pays them, they're going to do it on

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a fixed amount of daily reimbursements for lodging, meals, incidental

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expenses when you, as an employee is away from home,

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but it cannot be more than the federal per diem rates,

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and employee's got to actually be able to prove the time, dates,

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places and business purposes of being away from home. Now,

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when you're doing this, they could actually do per diems

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on a local area. So if you're going to a

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place that has a higher per diem rate, they could

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actually give you the higher per diem rate. Most tricking

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companies that we've worked with will stay to the meals

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and incidental expends for truckers, which would be the eighty dollars.

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And if you're an employer out there and you have

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truckers under your employee, as w two drivers having a

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per diem program where your drivers can provide you also

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great saving. So at the eighty dollars rate, you could

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see an increase in savings of about seventeen hundred and

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forty dollars a year by paying per diems that a

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W to wage to your employees. Now you'll have some

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W two wage and you'll have some that goes to

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them as per deems, but you're lowering what you're paying

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them per mile or per day out there as the employer.

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So you know that's that's the hard part. You've got

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to look at it. Now, if your corporation or LLC

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or escorp, you are supposed to claim actual expenses, not

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take the per deems, So you also got to include

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that and think about that. As you're moving from a

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solar proprietorship that is fully taxed for Social Security and

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Medicare on net earnings plus your income tax on your

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just gross income could impact that decision to move from

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esc from LLC single member to maybe an escort, or

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going from a self propridership to an escort as well.

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They need to make sure that you're taking a look

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at that and dotting the i's and crossing the t's

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and getting a true estimate what the cost is to

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be an escort versus a soul proprietorship. Those are kind

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of numbers we run for each and every one of

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our drivers, our businesses that are out there. Is you

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know doesn't make sense. Is there enough savings to move

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you from a self proprietorship single member as LLC reported

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on Schedule SEC or should you move to being an

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escort the numbers don't work, don't do it. If there's

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not enough savings out there, don't do it. Because there's

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got to be good savings in order to make the

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decision to move from a schedule see business to an

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escort business, because you're going to have additional expense such

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as filing an additional return, additional complications escort if you're

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going to have to have payroll and many other complications

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that you're going to have out there for you as

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moving from just a regular reporting on SCHEDULEC to filing

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an eleven twenty s or even a ten sixty five

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partnership return. So let it make sense, make a decision

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and then decide how you want to go. Hey, don't

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forget to connect with us at tax Talk for you

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send us messages, whether through the radio station or through

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tax Talk for you. We love to get the messages

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out there. We had Gregory to send us a message

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about investing in a business. We gave him an answer

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to his question. He's gone to a couple of different people,

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gotten a couple different answers. You know what you got

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to do in Gregory's case invested in business. It looks

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like the business went under. He's just an investor loaning money,

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getting an override on revenues and getting repaid his loan

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from the way I've interpreted. And he's gone to a

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couple different people and asked, hey, how do you know

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should I be getting a K one from this gentleman's escort?

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Should I be getting a partnership return K one? What

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should I be getting? And you get different answers. Well,

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one of the best ways to do it is go

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back to the original paperwork. What was your agreement when

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you put money up into this business? Were you a partner,

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where you considered to be an owner? Where you getting

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a certain number of shares or partnership interest? Now none

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of that applies. You're not an owner. You're not a partner.

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You're really not an investor. You're going to be more

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of a venture capitalist a loan person. So you know,

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you've got a loan or venture capital that you've put

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into this business, and you're going to need to write

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it off as possibly bad debt or bad investment. A

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couple of things you've got to look at to make

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its decision on how you're going to be able to

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take the right off of investing in a business. Get

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everything written out in good detail, not just write it out,

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to spell it out. Have both parties sign it so

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you know what you're getting into. If you're going to

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take on a partner, you're going to invest money in

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the business, you're going to loan the business money, what

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is it going to be? And then read the agreement

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and you know, I always recommend if you're going to

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do an agreement between two parties, get a lawyer involved,

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get an attorney, have a good tax guy as coach

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that's going to give you the guidance that you need

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when something like this happens. You know, sometimes going on

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a loan costs more money in the end. Sometimes just

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assuming that you know what the rules and the laws

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are aren't going to help you. If you had an

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attorney involved in an agreement and you're putting up money

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that's alone, whether it's business debt or investing, you know

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your lawyer may get a personal guarantee from the person

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that you're loaning the money to behind the company. Or

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if there's multiple people in the company, then you know

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maybe they've tied the loan to multiple people or the

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equipment of business. So there's a lot of things for

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you to look at to make decisions on which is right. Hey,

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we had questions about Qualified Business income Deduction. We're going

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to talk about GBID right after this break.

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We have only scratched the surface of today's show. Please

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Let's get back to tax stock for.

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You with more tax stock once again.

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Here's your host, Barry G. Fallo. Hey, welcome back. You know,

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like I said, we love questions, and we got a

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question you know this week about Qualified Business Income Deduction

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qb I gb I D Section one nine nine A.

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You know, all the different terms that come with this

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qualified business deeduction. Qualified business income deduction started with the

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twenty seventeen tax code, with the Trump tax Code. It's

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one of the tax cuts that's actually going away at

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the end of twenty twenty five unless Congress acts, and

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you know, hopefully Congress acts to keep this in place. Because,

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as we explain this to you, for those people that

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are in the business, whether it's a pass through business,

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sole proprietorship, you know you can benefit and do benefit

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from the Qualified Business Income Deduction GBI. Basically, this is

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the way GBI works. It is based on the net

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amount of business income with exceptions. Investment income such as

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capital gains and losses or dividends are not included. Income

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from businesses located out of you know, Ued states. Interest

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income not properly a eligable to a trade or business.

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So there's a whole list of other exceptions and everything,

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but those are the general exceptions out there now. QBA

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is only available through for owners of pass through businesses,

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including schedules C. Even if you opted to take the

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standard deduction and you're not itemizing. This is a separate

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line item on your tax return. If your business is

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a specified service trade or business, your QBI could be

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limited or disappear entirely once your taxable income reaches certain

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limits that are out there. Yes, there's limits. So what

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is a specified service trade or business where the business

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depends on the reputation or skill of its employees or owners.

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It's kind of definition. You know, it's going to include

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things like law practices, medical practices, consulting firms, professional athletes, accountants,

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financial services, members of the performing yards, investment management firms,

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and so there are exceptions out there, and there are

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limitations that are out there. Now. It is a twenty

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percent deduction, so you know. If you're single and your

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tax bill ink comes below two hundred thousand, you have

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a twenty percent aligable deduction available to you. If you're

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single and you make between two hundred and five two

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hundred and two hundred and fifty, you get a partial.

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If you're single one making over two hundred fifty thousand,

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you get none. Married, on the other hand, is basically

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double the single four hundred thousand unless you get the

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twenty percent deduction. Married filing jointly between four hundred and

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five hundred thousand, you get a partial deduction. If you're

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over the five hundred thousand, you're going to get no deduction.

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And this is if you are a specified service trade

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or business. See how those limitations apply when you're specified

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service trade or business. Now, if you're not what they

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call SSTB service specified service trade or business, but you

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have income greater than income limits of two hundred and

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thirty thousand or four hundred and sixty four thousand married,

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then your QBI can be limited to greater of the

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fifty percent of your share of the W two wages

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or twenty five percent of your share of the W

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two wages paid out in the business plus two point

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five percent of qualified property. Wow. See, there's a lot

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of things you've got to go through in a lot

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of calculations that are there, whether you are a specified

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service trade or business or whether or not. You've got

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to look at what limitations are out there now for

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most people doing their taxes. You know, if you're under

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the two hundred and thirty two thousand, whether you're specified

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service trader business or whether you are not. Well, sorry

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about that. I thought my cops were gone, and you know,

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still get a little frog on the front. You know,

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your tax software, if you've put it in correctly, is

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going to do most calculations out there. You know, when

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Gregory sorry this doom had asked this question of us,

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you know, he said, hey, the box store didn't know

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what QBI qbid Section one ninety nine A was. Because

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most people don't know what the calculations are, didn't study it.

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They rely on the software to do everything for it.

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And if you're in a lower tax bracket, the software

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does it for you simply easily, and it doesn't matter

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whether you put the business in correctly or not. But

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once you're over that, you need to know the details

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behind this deduction and QBI to make sure that you're

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calculating that twenty percent correctly in order to get the

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full deduction that you can get. It makes significant difference

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for you on your personal tax return being able to

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get that full twenty percent deduction where possible. So you know,

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we we go through these calculations. We know these calculations.

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If you're owner operator, small business out there and you're

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looking to make sure you got your QBI calculated correctly,

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get the phone, call us over at truck or tax

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Toles and let us work through your taxes to make

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sure that you're getting biggest deduction possible for QBI. You

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want to make sure that you're dotting your eyes, crossing

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your t's to get the deductions that you need to

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be able to save yourself as much money on taxes

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as possible. And we had another question come up, and

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you know, one of our consultants was on the phone,

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and when people ask questions sometimes you know these guys

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don't know the details and everything about ins and outs

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of taxes. They will get you set up with a

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meeting with one of our enrolled agents Tax Attorney cpa

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is that are going to work with you to find

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you every deduction that's out there, and a lot of

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times we're doing tax punning for our truckers, owner operators

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and small businesses that we serve. You know, things like

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this really make a difference and help you save money.

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And if you want that consultation, call us at eight

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and you know, let us help you keep your truck

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and you're on the road and your taxes to a minimum.

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So Jim asked, what's the Augusta Rule? My guy called

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me AGAs, Hey, have you heard what the Augusta rule is? Yeah, David,

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I know the Augusta You know, it is a tax

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strategy that we talk about and some business owners can

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take advantage of to save money or their business while

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getting a relatively large tax reduction. So the Augusta rule

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allows you to actually rent out your home tax free

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for fourteen days or less than a year. Now, Hey,

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as I always tell you, there's sketches to it, there's

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rules to it, and requirements and records that you've got

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to keep to be able to apply the Augusta rule

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in your business and on your personal tax return. And

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guess what we're going to tell you all those rules

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right after this break.

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We have only scratched the surface of play's show. Please

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stay by as Barry Chief Fowler will be right back with.

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Tax talk for you.

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with more tax talk once again, here's your host, Barry

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gif Faller.

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Rules, Rules, rules and regulations, IRIS guidelines. It's too much,

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isn't it for everyday American, every day taxpayer out there?

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You know some of the rules. If you're just w two,

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just easy, it doesn't matter. You just go by your

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your life, start running a business, and the rules can

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really stack up the red tape. It's yeah, am I

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doing it right? And how do you know if you're

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doing it right? How do I know if I'm actually

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following the rules that the irs has to be able

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to take the deductions that are available to me as

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a business owner, as an owner operator, as a truck driver,

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as a small business guy. And you know, hey, I

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don't know that I want the complications in my life

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to follow all these rules. Some rules are worth it.

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Some rules are worth that asshle of going through and

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meticulously following the detailed items of every rule that's out there. Now,

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is the augusta rule for everybody? Well, it can be,

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and it can save you money on your taxes, but

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is it always worth the hassle of going through and

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figuring out what's the best way to do this?

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Now?

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The August rule can be used anywhere in the US.

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Strategy gets this name from the original scenario where the

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residents of Augusta, Georgia rent it out out their homes

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during the annual Masters tournament. So that's therefore August the

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rule that's where the Masters has played. It wasn't really

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originally designed to allow business owners to rent their home

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to their business, but it does apply to business owners nevertheless,

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So how can you take advantage of it? Since this

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kind of tricky that you've got to do? First step

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in implementing this tax strategy is to know the rules.

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First is the rent must be reasonable amount that is

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supported by market research. An online search for similar properties

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is sufficient, so you know if you've got people to

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do vrbos, airbnbs by you, hey, that's where your research

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could start. Second, the property must be in the US.

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It doesn't have to be your primary residence. You can

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rent out your vacation home in another area. The total

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days rented for the year must be fourteen or less

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for the property. You've got to document the payments enough

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to follow the rules and qualify for this credit. But

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you also must properly document the rent payments. When you

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rent to your business, the business must issue you in

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ninety nine miscellaneous for the amount that was paid. The

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rent income must be claimed on your personal tax return

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and then exclude it under IRS Section to eight zero

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A IRS Section to eight zero A the AUGUSTA rule.

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Follow the proper documentation for those payments so that this

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comes up as an audit you can successfully navigate the audit. Substantiate, substantiate, substantiate.

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In addition to knowing the rules and documenting the payments,

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you must also prepare to substantiate the business activity during

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the rental days, including meetium minutes, daily agenda, attendee list

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supplement with pictures. The more you can substantiate, the better.

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It's even more important for a smaller business, where retreats

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or board meetings tend to be informal. I tell you

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this because you know, hey, Augusta rule doesn't apply to everybody.

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You can use it if you can substantiate it. And

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then there's many ways that the IRS is going to

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disallow this strategy in and audit. If you also get

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paid rent for your home office, you'll also violate that

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fourteen day rule. So if you're going to try to

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overcome this, you've got to need to use an accountable

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plan to avoid generating more rental income. Lack of evidence

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or deficiency in tracking and documenting rental payments, you can't

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use your strategy. If your home is your primary place

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of business. You're going to have to set up separate

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place for business. If your business is run out of

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your home, you're not going to be able to the

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Augusta rule. So we've got to remember this Augusta rule

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is a complex strategy, many rules and environments. However, the

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setup for this tax strategy you really want need to

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be done once and then you can execute it every

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year you're in business it's a nice way for your

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business to save money running conference space, conference rooms, or

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other accommodations for company events. So you know the rules

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out there, it's available for you to use. Just got

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to make sure that you're guiding the a's and crossing

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the t's behind these events so that you know that

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you're using it correctly for your business and that you've

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got it done the right way so that you don't

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have problem. You know, being in small business and being

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a business owner is complex. It is hard. Knowing all

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the rules, knowing all the stuff you've got to follow

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makes life deal. Having good service provider, good bookkeeping, great

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bookkeeping service, great tax provider is the key to keeping

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your business going correctly. It helps you keep a watchful

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eye on your business profits and your expenses, your net income.

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What am I making? Isn't that about how much money

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I have left in my pocket? That's the end goal

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is to have more in the bank every year so

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that you establish a huge nenis egg to retire and

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not have to be in business forever. In doing everything

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you know every day, including if you're a W two employee,

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it's putting as much money away and saving money and

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one of the greatest books I've read out there is

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a wealthy barber saving that ten percent right off the

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top every year, putting it away. You know, if you're

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in business, you know a set of goal. Not necessarily

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save ten percent of net income, maybe save ten percent

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of gross revenues. Wouldn't that be nice? Establish a goal,

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keep a watchful eye and your business' profits expenses. If

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you're a trucker, you're your cost per mile? What does

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it cost to run your truck? What is the cost

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of put that truck on the road every mile that's

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out there? You know, doing that cost per mile calculation

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from profits and loss that we give you, You should

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sit down and do that one calculation for yourself at

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least a couple times a year. No that Hey, when

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I'm looking at a load, is this load going to

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produce net income? Is it going to generate me enough

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revenue to cover my cost? Or am I just loasing

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money taking this load? Know what the minimum is that's

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out there. Truckers get in trouble because they feel like

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the truck's got to be on the road no matter

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what the revenue is, just to make that payment on

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that truck or the payment on the lease and sometimes

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it's not generating enough to cover the costs with the

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truck on the road. Make proper tax estimates. Hey, that

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first estimate is actually coming due for twenty twenty five

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April fifteenth, eight days away. Get prepared. Make those estimated

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tax payments every quarterly estimate. Now, the IRS is weird.

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We all know that your first estimate is due April fifteenth.

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Your second estimate, it's not a quarter away, is due

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June fifteenth. Then it's September fifteenth, and then it's January fifteenth. Hey,

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I don't set the deadlines out there, the IRS does.

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So make those quarterly estimists. If you can't make it quarterly,

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make it monthly. You know. If you can't do that,

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set aside money every month to help pay for taxes

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come April fifteenth, Invest that money and invest wisely. You know.

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Truckertax tools dot Com our bookkeeping service. What we try

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to do is minimize the taxes that you're going to pay.

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Maximize you were a profit. Kind of a conflict out there,

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but it's one of those conflicts is really good for

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you because minimizing taxes is a way to help maximize

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your profits. At the end of the day. See, it's

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not about how much money gross income did we make,

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it's what is our net income, what is our take home?

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What did we key at the end of the day,

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How much money did we invest, how much money did

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we set aside for our future. Maybe it's paying down

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the loans a little bit quicker because you're on too

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high of an interest rate. Maybe it's actually doing something

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people don't do in the trucking industry. And then it

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starts saving for retirement. Set up those retirement plans, whether

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it's an IRA, whether it's an se people, whether it's

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a four or one key do something to save money

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